Wednesday, November 5, 2025

Four-needle double-knitting
vs.
four double-pointed needles

*DISAMBIGUATION*

 What's going on?

Shakespeare asked "what's in a name?" 
Around here, the answer is "confusion." 

To explain...

TECHknitting is in the middle of a series about DOUBLE KNITTING. 

...a two-faced fabric, completely reversible

Double knitting makes a two-faced fabric, completely reversible, like the practice squares above.

Classical double knitting uses one set of needles--TWO TIPS --one left, one right. These are arranged in alternating stitches. 

Classic double knitting: alternating stitches worked on one set of needles, meaning TWO needle tips
--white stitches are knit, creating the white fabric face
--green stitches are purled, creating a separate green fabric on the back
Stitches for both layers lay side-by-side
Stitches for each layer are always interrupted by stitches for the other. 

TECHknitting recently introduced a new and different way to work double knitting with two SETS of circular needles, meaning FOUR TIPS--two left, two right. 

To distinguish this new trick from the classic (TWO-needle) method, this new method is called FOUR- needle double knitting.

Four needle double knitting: four needles in hand, two operational at any one time.
--each fabric layer gets its own needle. 
--no longer interrupted by stitches for the other side, the stitches next to one another in the fabric are also next to one another on the needles.
No interruption = easier to see what is going on.

"FOUR needle double knitting" tells you that this new trick differs from classic (TWO-needle) double knitting. 

However, having "FOUR" in its name unfortunately leads to confusion of a different kind.

Confusion!

The words "four" and "double" and "needles," have knitters writing to ask whether

--> four-needle double-knitting <-- 
is like sock knitting on 
--> four double-pointed needles <--

The answer is NO

Same words, it's true, but in different order with different meaning.

same words, different order, different meaning

The set-ups and results are different. One is...

            --reversible fabric via four-needle double-knitting on two sets of circular needles

while the other is... 

--knitting little items like socks on four double-pointed needles (dpn's).


graphic showing the difference between four needle double knitting and four double pointed needles
Similar names, different set-ups

But, it can get even more confusing. "Double knitting"does mean the reversible fabric and the process for making it, BUT it also refers to a weight of yarn.
 
Double knitting yarn is not the same thing as double knitting. Double knitting is not the same thing as double knitting yarn. The graphic shows a little elephant being knit in classical double knitting (alternating stitches) which makes a reversible fabric--a red elephant on a white background on one side, a white elephant on a red background on the other side. The entire image is being knit with a yarn of a weight called "double knitting yarn."
More confusion with "double knitting"

Whew. No wonder there's confusion!

DISAMBIGUATION

Four-needle double-knitting is a new and easier way of creating two-sided fabric with reversible designs on both sides, using two sets of circular needles: it is not double-knitting weight yarn, nor knitting little items like socks on four double-pointed needles. 
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Where we've been, where we're going

In this series on double knitting, the previous post is about four-needle double-knitted horizontal tubes called "baffles." These are knit via the "picking" method of four-needle double knitting and can be stuffed like the baffles of a puffer jacket. The following post covers four-needle double-knitted vertical baffles. See you there.



--TK

Questions? Feedback? Contact me at 
Blue Sky  @techknitter.bsky.social or  talk to me about this post on Ravelry TECHknitter forum


This is one in a series on Double Knitting. The series so far:


  • Grafting in purl using knitting stitches and a knitting needle--a background info post
  • Double knitting intro: basic methods for getting stitches on and off your needles + working side edges: Part 1 of side edges
  • Double knitting, the what and the how: History(ish), Theory, How-to demos 
  • Double knitting + working independent layers: useful trick for projects with lots of one color backgrounds
  • Four needle double knitting: new ways to double knit via "slide-by" and "picking
  • Four needle double knitting in the THIRD DIMENSION part 1: Horizontal baffles 
  • Four-needle double-knitting vs. four double-pointed needles: DISAMBIGUATION
  • Double-Knit Cables: Vertical baffles via Four-Needle Double-knitting, part 2 of THIRD DIMENSION series
  • Reversible legible words in double knitting--uncoupling stitches via the "ping-pong" technique."
  •  Side edges in double knitting, part 2: Transformation edging 
  • Double knitting by Transformation 1: vertical baffles
  • Double knitting by Transformation 2: Color Designs
  • Wednesday, October 29, 2025

    Four Needle Double Knitting in the THIRD DIMENSION
    Part 1: Horizontal Baffles

     Double knitting three dimensional tubes (baffles) like on puffer jackets.

    Horizontal baffles
    The preview to this series on four-needle double knitting promised fabrics with tubes which could be stuffed, like a puffer jacket. Technically called "baffles," these come in two flavors: vertical and horizontal. Today's post, part 1, is about horizontal baffles. Part 2 features vertical baffles

    "Picking" and horizontal baffles
    Four-needle double knitting has two different techniques: "slide-by" for blocks of color, and "picking" for speckles. Today's horizontal baffles use only the"picking" method. Picking pinches together the front and back fabrics of double knitting along a horizontal "lock row," and this is what makes the baffle. 

    Different looks
    There are two different kinds of picking, which make two different looking lock rows. 
    --lock rows via "picking" in an alternating stitch pattern--this is the speckled appearance of the original kind, shown in the previous post and this video.
    --lock rows via a continuous-line variant of picking called ping-ponging, introduced today. 

    Here's what these different lock rows look like in real life.
    Horizontal baffle swatch
    close-up lower right: alternate stitch picking lock row--single 
    close-up left: alternate stitch picking lock row--triple
    close-up upper right: continuous-line "ping-pong" lock row in contrasting color 

    The video below is an overview, showing more about lock rows.


    If the video does not load for you, here is a direct link

    Lock rows in four needle double knitting, via alternate stitch picking (version 1 of lock rows)

    This green and white horizontal baffle sampler was started by casting on some white stitches and working 11 rows. Green stitches were then picked up right through the white stitches, and 11 green rows were knit--this is the default method for casting on double knitting.

    (Not mentioned in the video is how the top ends: that is via purl grafting).

    Up until row 11, the fabrics are only attached at the bottom, but on row 12 of each fabric, the four needles (two circulars) are held together and both fabrics are worked into one by "picking" across row 12 in an alternating-stitch pattern. A green knit on the front needles is followed by a green purl on the back needles, then a white knit on the front needles is followed by a white purl on the back needles, and so on. "Picking" colors alternately in four-needle double knitting made the horizontal "lock row"   shown here in close up (the lighter green stitches).

    In a more macro view and from the reverse side, single alternating-stitch lock rows are shown by the black arrows in the photo below.

    Above this lock row of double knitting, another 11 independent rows of each color were worked (meaning, 11 rows worked on one set of needles for the green fabric and 11 rows on the other set of needles for the white fabric) followed by another lock row and so on. With picking, the stitches stay on the individual needles for the independent layers AND for the locking row, per photo.

    You can choose to have single color stripes with a contrast color locking row, such as the two green stripes separated by a white locking row, lower part of photo, or the layers can change color above the locking row, giving alternating color stripes like white above green, upper part of photo. Both versions lock equally well, it just depends on what look you're going for. 

    Blue arrow  back layer.  Green arrow  front layer.
    Brown arrows 
     baffles (tubes) formed when the layers are locked shut via double knitting the "lock row" along the long edge.
    Black arrows
     lock rows: the stitches are worked on alternating needles, joining the layers into a single double-thick fabric for one row. The top black arrow (curved) shows a lock row in progress.

    Combining individual layers with lock rows is a very fast kind of double knitting: makes a double thick fabric in double time. And, to fancy things up a bit, you can work designs into the stripes. This close up shows a name and date worked in ordinary stranded color-work in a darker green into a white stripe--on this swatch, I messed around with different-width letters and numbers. The corresponding stripe on reverse is plain. 

    SAM-ple of stranded writing: "Sam" short for "Sample." 

    As for picking lock rows, these need not be every-other-stitch. Alternating stitch lock rows can be any pattern which frequently crosses yarns from one fabric face to another. Here's the little checkerboard from above. These alternating picked stitches, three rows high, are also a "lock row."

    Triple lock rows

    This little WIP, a child's vest (back view) also features triple lock rows, some in pink, some in maroon. The alternating stitches within each triple lock row are arranged in more random, experimental patterns. 

    The hearts in the second baffle from bottom were worked in stranded knitting,  just like the "SAM" and "2025" above. 


    Continuous line lock rows via ping-ponging (version 2 of lock rows)

    On the SAM swatch, the continuous line contrast color lock row looked like this in close-up.

    Continuous-line lock row worked via "ping-ponging."

    Here's the project from the opening photo. It has this same kind of lock row. Specifically, on this seat pad, the green and blue stripes are worked shut by a continuous third color: the rose color yarn. The vertical baffle up the side is worked by always keeping the edge stitches in their original color, (more about side edges below). 


    Here is a close-up of the fabric, shown after being stuffed (more about stuffing below). 

    In this side-view, the 3-D pop of the baffles really shows

    The green and the blue fabrics are worked as independent fabrics for four rows each. Then on the fifth row, they are locked together with rose. This is done by picking EVERY stitch, front and back alternately, in the rose yarn.

    In this WIP shot, a rose-colored lock row is being worked. The rose appears on both sides as an unbroken (continuous) line: a different look from speckled alternating-stitch lock rows.

    The green and blue were used to work the 4 edge stitches (borders). Once past the edge stitches, the rose colored yarn took over. The green and blue yarns, not in use at this time, strand very loosely along in the ditch between front & back needles. They remain in the tube being sealed shut by the rose-colored lock row in progress, and won't emerge again until it's time to knit the border: the last 4 stitches.

    Working the rose-colored lock row is simple: 

    • The green and blue yarns are called the "yarn(s) not in use." They are simply held in the ditch between the two needles. 
    • Then, the rose colored yarn, called the "yarn in use" is simply worked all the way down the entire row, alternating front and back needles, meaning: using only rose, a front stitch is knitted, followed by a back stitch purled, then another stitch knitted, another purled and so on. In this way, the rose is alternately "picked" front and back down the row.

    Alternately picking the same yarn all the way down a row bounces the yarn in use (rose) back and forth between the front and back needles. As it bounces back and forth, it travels over the blue and green "yarns not in use,"just as a ball bounces back and forth over the net in ping-pong. That's why this style of picking is called "ping-ponging."

    The yarn in use ping-pongs back and forth from one fabric face to the other, always passing over the "yarn not in use," like a ping-pong ball over a net. The yarn not in use, the green and the blue, are stranded in the "ditch" between the front and back needles.

    Here is a close up of the ping-pong path of the rose colored yarn as it travels from needle to needle, sealing shut the two layers and fusing them into one double sided-fabric along the lock row. This  continuous rose-colored row, worked front and back, locks together the top of each green and blue stripe.

    Path of the rose-colored yarn as it "ping-pongs" between front and back needles

    Three things about the chair pad project


    --Edge stitches. On this cushion, the edges were held in their original colors whether on a lock-row or otherwise. This makes an edge of continuous color as explained here. This means the rose colored lock-row doesn't go all the way across. Blue and green knit their 4 respective edge stitches, then they dive into the ditch and the rose starts. At the other end, the rose stops short. When 4 stitches remain to knit, the green and blue climb back out of the ditch and again knit their 4 edge stitches, front and back. In sum, the green and blue strand along "in the ditch" between the front and back fabrics along the rose-colored lock row, but dive to the surface for the 4 edge stitches, left and right, front and back.
     (In this project, I used 4 edge stitches: the minimum is 3, maximum, 5.)

    --LOOSE in the ditch or cut? For a stretchy end result, keep the not-in-use yarns LOOSE in the ditch. Test for tightness: stretch while still on the needles. Stranding takes more yarn than you think. 

    As for cutting: on one hand, it might seem a waste to strand all that yarn in the ditch. It might seem that cutting the strands would save yarn. On the other hand, for shorter rows, the length of the tails is going to approach the length of the strand, so, not a big yarn savings. Also, if there is any unraveling to do, uncut yarn is much easier to re-knit. And cutting makes more tails to work around. 

    However, bottom line: there's no structural reason all that yarn has to be stranded in the ditch. If knitting with precious yarn, or with long rows, then cut if inclined. This means leaving tails a couple of inches long at both ends of the baffle, rather than running long strands in the ditch. 

    --Contrast / no contrast. There's no reason a ping-ponged (continuous) lock row has to be a third contrast color. On the chair pad, the lock row could have been worked in green or blue leaving rose out entirely.

    Couple more things about horizontal baffles in general

     --Good intro. Working horizontal baffles via lock rows would be a good first intro to four needle double knitting "picking." The first time trying, the tension is going to be pretty terrible, but it's all still going to work out OK. Re-watch the picking video from the last post, and re-read the note about adjusting tension after the fact. Even if your tension is comically loose as you work the locking row, the important thing is that the stitches have been interlocked to bring the fabrics together. By stopping every few inches to adjust the tension before knitting further, the finished product will come out fine. Each subsequent lock-row gets better, too. 

    --Straight pin helper. Stockinette rolls. So, on the lock row, each layer wants to roll strongly away from the other. Use a straight pin to fasten the layers, then move the pin along as you work down the row--one less thing to fight against. 

    Stuffing baffles 
    --Wide baffles. The green and white "SAMple" has wide baffles, stuffed with a doubled-over loop of jumbo yarn per overview video. The even wider baffles of the baby vest WIP are stuffed the same way. The kind of yarn used on both is Bernat  big blanket yarn, a fluffy kind of chenille.

    Geek note: "Big blanket" is for sale at this time, but for how much longer? Novelty yarns are often discontinued (remember pom-pom and ruffle?) If stuffed baffles might be in your future, maybe stash a few balls now. 

    Another trick for wide baffles: use double sided fusible batting, cut in strips. This makes a fabric not at all stretchy: good for chair pads or potholders, but not clothing or blankets. (I made a baby blanket this way once, but it was not popular: too stiff. Oh well! I make mistakes so you don't have to.) With fusible batting, once the strips are threaded into the baffle, the item is steam-ironed through a pressing cloth to activate the fusing.

    --Narrow baffles. The blue/green/rose chair pad features narrower baffles. These are stuffed with a double strand of bulky yarn. The process is the same: a loop of bulky yarn drawn through the baffle with a hook (a longer Afghan hook for the chair pad). 

    Stuffing yarn: bulky, left, for smaller tubes & baffles, jumbo "big blanket" chenille for larger

    When doubling yarn, pull through so both strands lay flat (next to one another, not twisted over one another). Un-twisted stuffing lays nicer: worth the trouble. 

    Finishing side edges: preview.  
    With four-needle double knitting, the edges are never connected to one another during the knitting process. In fact, the default edge is to leave the edges loose, where the powerful force of stockinette curl means they will curl together forever. However, for stuffed horizontal baffles, a loose edge won't work: the stuffing shows. 

    ...the stuffing shows

    Therefore, the sample swatch and the chair pad, the edges were connected, but after the work was finished. 

    preview
    chain edge (left) --- zig zag edge (right)

    Coming up: a whole post on side treatments, featuring these edges and more. Stay tuned! 

    --Washing. Yarn-stuffed baffles are hand-wash. Even the gentlest machine spin can dislodge the stuffing. However,  if left unstuffed, baffled double knit fabric can be washed like any other hand knit. 

    Final thought 
    Horizontal baffles are actually a sub-set of independent layers combined with double knitting. More on that subject at this link. 

    --TK

    Questions? Feedback? Contact me at 
    Blue Sky  @techknitter.bsky.social or  talk to me about this post on Ravelry TECHknitter forum


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    This is one in a series on Double Knitting. The series so far:


  • Grafting in purl using knitting stitches and a knitting needle--a background info post
  • Double knitting intro: basic methods for getting stitches on and off your needles + working side edges: Part 1 of side edges
  • Double knitting, the what and the how: History(ish), Theory, How-to demos 
  • Double knitting + working independent layers: useful trick for projects with lots of one color backgrounds
  • Four needle double knitting: new ways to double knit via "slide-by" and "picking
  • Four needle double knitting in the THIRD DIMENSION part 1: Horizontal baffles 
  • Four-needle double-knitting vs. four double-pointed needles: DISAMBIGUATION
  • Double-Knit Cables: Vertical baffles via Four-Needle Double-knitting, part 2 of THIRD DIMENSION series
  • Reversible legible words in double knitting--uncoupling stitches via the "ping-pong" technique."
  •  Side edges in double knitting, part 2: Transformation edging 
  • Double knitting by Transformation 1: vertical baffles
  • Double knitting by Transformation 2: Color Designs

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    Sunday, August 17, 2025

    Four Needle Double Knitting
    New ways to double knit via

    Slide-By & Picking

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    Four-needle double knitting: what is it?

    The four-needle method is an easier way of working double knitting, with improved tension and a much better method of displaying the design as you go--easier to see, easier to work.

    Despite the "four needle" part of the name, four-needle double knitting has nothing to do with double-pointed knitting, like for socks

    Instead, it is a new trick using two circular needles to more easily work the two-sided fabric called double knitting. 

    Four needle double knitting: four needles in hand, with two operational at any one time.

    Four needle double knitting is the next logical development in this double knitting series, a method in development with me for many years. 

    The next few paragraphs trace the history of all this, but you can just as well skip all the blah-blah and cut directly to the how to, if you prefer. 

    Classic double knitting

    The series began with classic double knitting. This is double knitting worked using two knitting tips: either the two ends of a circular needle, or the two tips of two separate straight knitting needles. Each color comes from its own ball of yarn, and the color stitches are arranged alternately, so that one set of stitches--purled from the knitters POV--makes the back fabric, while the other set of stitches--knitted from the knitter's POV--makes the front fabric. This is called alternating stitch double knitting, or simply classic double knitting. It comes in one-pass and two-pass versions. On the needles, it looks like the photo below.

    Classic double knitting on the needles: a black and white design being worked on alternating stitches. The white stitches are being knit, the black, purled.

    Classic double knitting combined with separated (independent) rows

    Classic double knitting requires alternating stitches. However, stitch order is not destiny. Stitch order can be changed.  Part two of this series describes how a piece can start with double knitting a border in classic style on alternate stitches: the cats on the potholder below. Then, the stitches of each color can be rearranged so all stitches of one color are slipped on one set of needles, while all of the other color are slipped on another. This sets up separate red and white layers shown below, between the dotted lines. For this middle part of the potholder, each fabric is knit independently from its own ball of yarn: red from the red ball, white from the white. This is flat knitting (back and forth) but it is also possible to work this trick for round and round in circular knitting, like for a hat or socks. When the plain layers are finished being knit, the different color stitches will again be slipped onto a single needle, one red followed by one white, and so on, until all the stitches lay alternately, ready to double knit more cats in classic style for the top border. 

    Knitting the middle parts as separated layers improves the tension, because there is no intervening stitch over which, the running yarn has to pass in its trip between adjoining stitches. Separated layers also allows texture work (here, words), just as if this were ordinary single layer knitting (which it IS, for the length of the separation). 

     Blue  back layer.
    Green  front layer.
    Red  ↕  "classic" double knitting, cats worked via alternate red and white stitches on 1 circular needle.
    Brown 
     ↕ one color backgrounds, worked as separate layers, each layer knit back & forth on a separate set of needles (with writing added).
    Black
     ↕ top border to be knit same (classic style) as bottom border: red & white stitches returned to one needle, alternately.

    If you think about how the needles are in the work, under the lower dotted line where the cats are classic-knit on alternate stitches, the work is on two needle tips (one tip at each end of a circular needle). Between the dotted lines, the knitting is worked on four needles--two to knit the red layer, two for the white layer. Above the upper dotted line, the stitches are to be re-joined (red-white-red-white...) for the top border, so the work will be back on two needles again. Together on two, separated on four, back together again on two.

    Four needle double knitting

    Four needle double knitting takes the next logical step, and actually knits not just the background, but the actual color designs as individual layers. As with the middle fabrics of the red and white potholder above, today's trick also uses four needles--one set for each layer, but these four needles are worked in sets of two, alternately across the row, rather than in sets independent of one another. 

    Working the needle sets alternately intertwines the layers across the row, meaning that by choosing which set of needles to operate, each color is delivered to the correct layer as required by the pattern. In this way, the layers of fabric are intertwined, but the individual stitches are not. A double-thick, reversible double knit fabric with color patterns is created by four needle tips, rather than two. (Confused yet? It' ll all come clear in the end, I promise!)

    In the below photo, a teal and maroon scarf is being knit with four needle technique. The back layer is on needles 1 and 2, while the front layer is on needles 3 and 4. As with classic double knitting, the fabrics are knit back-to-back, purl sides inside, facing one another. The opposite of a purl is a knit, so both outside fabric faces show as smooth stockinette, with its pretty little V-shaped stitches. As shown, where the colors switch, they create a mirror image: each maroon speckle is backed with a teal, each teal with a maroon.  

    Four needle double knitting, close up. The back layer of purled stitches (blue arrow) is worked on needles 1 & 2, the front layer of knit stitches (orange arrow) is worked on needles 3 &4. This results in a double faced fabric, with the layers worked back-to-back (black arrow) along each row, worked on two sets of needles. 

    This is the finished scarf (adapted from Anne Bosch's double knit sampler scarf) and it is the star in the following  how-to-videos.



    .Four needle double knitting, how-to

    There are three types of double knitting on the above scarf. The below photo shows the scarf end with three windows into the work. Each window shows a distinct type of four needle double knitting

    Windows 1 (top) 2 and 3
    -- ① In the top window, the end of the scarf features fabrics which have no color patterns--the "background" fabrics for the two-color knitting to follow. Because the yarns do not switch from one fabric face to another, the background fabrics come apart into Independent Layers, like on the cat potholder pictured above. There is more about combining independent layers with four needle double knitting in the very next post (horizontal baffles). For now, the focus is on windows 2 and 3.
     
    --  The middle window shows Color Speckles, where the teal and maroon switch more frequently, sometimes at every single stitch, sometimes every two or three stitches.

    --  The bottom window shows Color Blocks, where the teal and maroon switch fabric faces relatively infrequently--every 6 stitches.

    Although the entire scarf was knit using four needles, independent layers, blocks, and speckles require using the needles in different ways. 

    • Again, there is more about independent layers in the previous post & the following post.
    • Blocks--a new trick--are knit by a trick called "slide-by.
    • Speckles--another new trick--require a different trick called "picking."

     Below are videos of slide-by and picking.

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     First, slide-by, which is a new trick for working color blocks in four needle double knitting.
    (Skip any ads ASAP--You-Tube monetizes these videos, not me.) 

    This link opens a separate window with time-indexed written transcript of this video, translatable via the "translate" app, upper right corner of sidebar. 

    --Setting up the work. When you get to the end of each block, you can either keep hold of the same color yarn and switch needles (which I am doing in the video) OR you can keep hold of the same needle and switch the yarns. Keeping hold of the needle means less needle-sliding, but more yarn changing, while keeping hold of the yarn means more needle sliding, but less yarn dropping and picking up again. This may not make a lot of sense just talking about it, but when you go to try, you will see that at the point where the yarns switch from one fabric face to another, you do have a choice about which way to proceed. 

    --Sliding needles. It is also wise to develop habits about which needles you slide in and out in which order--helps prevent skipping a batch of stitches by accident. Needle sliding must also keep the path of the yarn as short as possible, as each yarn travels between fabric faces along the inside of the fabric. The shortest path results by keeping the right (working) needles INSIDE the two holding needles. This is shown in the video, and also clearly shown on this photo of a light and dark green striped potholder which I borrowed from the following post in this series.

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     .Next, picking, another new trick in four needle double knitting. Picking is used for knitting speckles, meaning, changing color very frequently.

    This link opens a separate window with time-indexed written transcript of this video, translatable via the "translate" app, upper right corner of sidebar. 

    --Tension. On your first try at picking, the tension is likely to be terrible. But, that does not matter for the final product, because, per the video, the tension can be afterwards adjusted manually by working the excess slack from needle to needle, down the row. It is best to do this every few inches along the row, when both sets of loose stitches--front and back--are still slung around the barrel of the needle, and not yet on the cable. In this way, each stitch is tightened to same diameter, determined by its path around the needle. If the stitches have already fallen off the barrel, so they are sitting on the cable when you go to adjust, the result will be over-tightening. Your tension will certainly improve as you go up the learning curve. Soon, little or no manual tension adjustment will be required.

    --Yarn control. The running yarns will twist together if you pick each yarn up the same way, meaning each yarn over the next, or each yarn under the next. Unwind the running yarns by letting the project dangle periodically. Alternatively, avoid twisting by working a certain color first over, and the next time, under; then over, then under, so each stitch undoes whatever twisting was created in the previous. 

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    Three more things. 

    First, I knit continental style (yarn carried on left hand). But, the technique has been successfully tested by English-style knitters. If that is your preferred style, here is a little video of four needle double knitting in action, English-style. As you see, in English style, the yarns not in use do not strand between the fabrics to the left, but are supplied from the right side, always entering the fabric from between the layers. 

    Next, you sometimes have to combine methods--there's no hard cut-off between when you have to start actually sliding needles around and when you can still reach stitches by picking. The upper limit for picking is 3 stitches or maybe 4: you'll soon find out.

    Third thing is, the needles make the difference.
        --Needle size must allow forming somewhat loose stitches, but not so loose as to be sloppy. This is might not be the same size needle you would ordinarily use for any given yarn: experiment. 
        --Equally important is grabbiness. In the scarf videos, I am using Aero brand needles which are grabby, coated with an almost gritty substance. Shiny needles like ChiaoGoo stainless, I find excellent for slide-by, but with picking, they're so slippery that I lose stitches off the ends. Wooden needles (used in the English-style video) give very fine control for picking because they are gabby. However, wooden needles can be so gabby that they're a drawback for slide-by, especially when brand new.
        --The smoothness of the cable join is also very important, especially if mainly working color blocks. On vacation, I tried slide-by with discount-store needles and the poor quality cable join caught the fabric.
        --Tip sharpness is also a factor. With round tipped needles (Prym metal circular) I couldn't get on at all. 
    Finding the right needles is >> make-or-break. <<  If you try this and don't get along, try again with different needles. At knit-night ask your friends to bring different needles, and experiment with different brands. Also to consider: how slippery the yarn is. The interaction of needles + yarn makes a difference, so run your needle experiments using the planned project yarn.

    Four-needle double knitting: WHY?

    This post started with the "what," followed by the "how." Now the question is "why." 

    Short answer: although it takes a while to go up the learning curve, four needle double knitting ends up faster, and makes a better fabric. It also lets you knit cables and other textures right into the double knitting, a trick difficult or impossible in classic (alternating stitch) double knitting. 

    The long answer is that, although this took me years to figure out, I kept going because classic (alternating stitch) double knitting just never came out well for me. I always had tension problems. My first attempts were truly awful. It did get better with practice, but it never got easy: tension always took a lot of attention. An even bigger problem was band-width. I wished for stitches to be better displayed, so assigning stitches wouldn't take so much concentration. For me, classic double knitting was never TV knitting. Even an audio book was chancy. 

    The idea was great. But the knitting itself? Not so much.

    My first attempts at classic (alternating stitch) double knitting. Discouraging! Over time, my tension did improve, but never became automatic, always requiring close attention.

    So, I kept plugging away until I figured out this trick. And over time I found that the four-needle method really did help with tension and display. Except for demo purposes, I have completely switched away from classic (alternating stitch) double knitting. I now use the four needle method as my default. 

    As to tension, with four needle double knitting, the stitches on each needle are created as they will lay in the fabric side-by-side. There is no intervening stitch of the alternate color to throw off the tension. And, you can tell as you go whether the tension is good or bad. As demonstrated in the videos, by holding the front and back needles together and comparing, you can tell whether overall tension needs adjustment. By contrast, where the stitches alternate (classic double knitting) that intervening stitch prevents direct perception of tension issues. In classic double knitting, you (or at least I) only discover poor tension after the stitches have come off the needles and are laying in the fabric. 

    As to display, with this trick, there's no confusion about which stitch belongs on which fabric face. No more chanting "front, back, front, back" as you run your finger down the alternating stitches. 

    To my mind, this is like (way!) back in the day, when personal computers first revolutionized word processing. Mark-up language was abandoned in favor of WYSIWYG ("wis-ee-wig") displays, where What You See IWhat You Get. If you've ever looked at HTML code, you know what a revolution this really was. With mark-up languages, text is buried in formatting code. With WYSIWYG, text displays with formatting already applied. Separating the stitches for each fabric layer is like a WYSIWYG display for double knitting. No longer do you have to parse out the intervening stitches to see the pattern. What's on the needles is what you're going to get in the fabric. This little ditty says it all.

    Front goes front,
    back goes back,
    what you see is
    what you get!

    Here is another view of Anne Bosch's scarf, a closeup with shows the improved tension as well as the ability to keep track of quite intricate patterns in blocks and speckles. 


    Four needle double knitting is a new way of creating double knitting. It requires the same kind of learning curve as dpn-knitting small tubes (socks, glove fingers). But! Once learned, it produces better double knitting, and will prove fast. It allows easier tracking of color patterns, especially where there are frequent color changes--what you see is what you get. 

    AND, that's not the only advantage. The next post in this series shows how to knit three-dimensional horizontal baffles: fabric ⬅with tubes that can be stuffed, like on a puffer jacket. 

    The second following post shows vertical baffles (with cables even!)

    --TK

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    This is one in a series on Double Knitting. The series so far:


  • Grafting in purl using knitting stitches and a knitting needle--a background info post
  • Double knitting intro: basic methods for getting stitches on and off your needles + working side edges: Part 1 of side edges
  • Double knitting, the what and the how: History(ish), Theory, How-to demos 
  • Double knitting + working independent layers: useful trick for projects with lots of one color backgrounds
  • Four needle double knitting: new ways to double knit via "slide-by" and "picking
  • Four needle double knitting in the THIRD DIMENSION part 1: Horizontal baffles 
  • Four-needle double-knitting vs. four double-pointed needles: DISAMBIGUATION
  • Double-Knit Cables: Vertical baffles via Four-Needle Double-knitting, part 2 of THIRD DIMENSION series
  • Reversible legible words in double knitting--uncoupling stitches via the "ping-pong" technique."
  •  Side edges in double knitting, part 2: Transformation edging 
  • Double knitting by Transformation 1: vertical baffles
  • Double knitting by Transformation 2: Color Designs
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